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Italian Vetterli Rifle 10.4mm



This a Model 1870-87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali rifle. It was originally adopted as a single shot rifle in 1870, and modified to a 4 round box magazine repeater beginning in 1887. This particular rifle was made in 1880 and modified in 1888. It was originally chambered for a 10.4 mm centerfire cartridge, and remains so, and has a mirror bright bore. The original cartridge was designed to use a heel type bullet where the bullet has a stepped heel which fits into the neck of the case which is the same size as the nominal bullet diameter, similar to a .22 rimfire. In order to use ordinary .44 bullets, the owner has had the chamber neck opened up to .460". The load used is a Hornady .430 diameter .44 caliber 240 grain swaged lead bullet, with 10 grains of Alliant Unique powder. Cases were made by forming 8mm Lebel cases. Dies are modified .44 Magnum dies. It is very accurate and lots of fun. For more info see: http://www.militaryrifles.com/Italy/ItalVetVitali.htm

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I make a few blunders mixing up my terms. I called the magazine a cartridge and the bolt a barrel.

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Author 1233atm (2 years)
i own one of these. a Vetterli 70/87/16 can you tell me how common these
ones are?

Author kenneykole (5 years)
Where do you get the ammo for that rifle.

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (5 years)
The cases are formed from 8mm Lebel, and trimmed to length. The chamber
neck was reamed to permit using standard .430 diameter .44 caliber bullets.

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (4 years)
These rifles are perfectly safe to fire as long as the limits are
respected. They were designed for black powder and smokeless loads must be
kept on the gentle side. I use 17.0 grains of Alliant 2400 with Hornady 240
grain .430 diameter swaged lead bullets. They are pleasant to shoot and
accurate.

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (1 year)
The 6.5 is more common than the original 10.4 mm. They may be fired using
redued loads. Cast bullets are great.

Author 123nicefellow123 (4 years)
Would 1800 fps be too much for vetterli 1870/87/15?

Author Avatar1154 (3 years)
@WalnutCreekRifleClub aha, thank you very much.

Author BLOODTHORN13 (2 years)
I have a 1890 Tarino that has been changed to the 6.5

Author Pete Lafata (2 years)
were can i purchase Italian Vetterli Model 1870/87/15 10.4mm ammo?

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (2 years)
@petelafata I believe that Fiocchi of Italy makes the ammo, or you can buy
brass from Buffalo Arms or Ballard Rifle Co. I make my own from 8mm Lebel
cases. I use Hornady .430" diameter swaged lead bullets. I had the neck of
the chamber modified by reaming it to allow using normal bullets rather
than heel type, as it was originally used with. It is very accurate, giving
goups under two inches at 100 yards off the bench with issue iron sights.

Author mugofdoom (4 years)
He means the rifles converted to 6.5mm Carcano by the Italians in WW1, it
isn't a good idea to fire those unless you can find extremely low power
ammunition. Even then most wouldn't advise it. The 87 models that are
chambered for 10.4mm are perfectly safe to fire.

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (4 years)
@123nicefellow123 I have to load them one at a time into the mag, or one at
a time to fire, and there aren't any charging animals, so I figure macht
nichts.

Author 123nicefellow123 (4 years)
Why don't you use the mag?

Author serpwiz (5 years)
nice video!

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (4 years)
@123nicefellow123 I don't know but I suppose it would be okay. More to the
point, why bother? My experience with cast bullets has shown me that around
1000 fps gives great accuracy and is good for target shooting. Unless you
want to hunt with it, then juice it up a bit.

Author Andreas191280 (1 year)
I have this Italian Vetterli rifle and the Swiss Vetterli. Why can I not
use the same bullets in both? It works well in my Swiss, but the bolt will
not close on the case in my Italian Vetterli.

Author Avatar1154 (3 years)
are you using smokeless powder??? it was designed for BP originally. is it
safe to use smokeless one?

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (5 years)
Not bad for only being on for a week.

Author oooJOHNY000 (5 years)
i feel sorry for u, u only got 70 veiws

Author JohnnyOfast (4 years)
I've got the same rifle in outstanding condition. One of the online Rifle
mags suggested not firing the 1870/87/15 something about barrels blowing
apart.

Author Avatar1154 (3 years)
aha, thank you. so you are using smokelless powder and some pieces of paper
or cardboards or cotton to fill up the empty space between smokelles powder
and bullets to prevent so called blowby effect? because smokelles powder
takes less space than bp and there is the risk of blowby if there is some
empty space in the cartrige?

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (3 years)
@Avatar1154 The reason wads or filler are used is to keep the small powder
charge close to the head of the case for good ignition. I have done so, but
have have experienced case head separation, and no longer use filler or
wads. I do however, raise the muzzle to allow gravity to settle the charge
at the head. No problems and good results. These old rifles can be
surprisingly accurate.

Author WalnutCreekRifleClub (3 years)
@Avatar1154 It is smokeless but it is a small charge, which doesn't develop
enough pressure to even blow the case out to conform to the chamber. It
clocks about 1000 fps.

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